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Post subject: The true believers in Allah
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Those who have doubt can not be considered believers:
The believers are only those who believe in Allah and His Messenger then they doubt not and struggle hard with their wealth and their lives in the way of Allah; they are the truthful ones. [The Quran ; 49:15] إِنَّمَا الْمُؤْمِنُونَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا بِاللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ ثُمَّ لَمْ يَرْتَابُوا وَجَاهَدُوا بِأَمْوَالِهِمْ وَأَنفُسِهِمْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللَّهِ أُوْلَئِكَ هُمُ الصَّادِقُونَ (15)
And those who question God conceringing what He orders can not be considered believers either:
He cannot be questioned concerning what He does and they shall be questioned. [The Quran ; 21:23] لَا يُسْأَلُ عَمَّا يَفْعَلُ وَهُمْ يُسْأَلُونَ (23)
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# this is an interesting topic bro....i think any true believer would do 2 things for sure:
1. keep away from the forbidden
2. indulge in the ordained
...it always intrigues me as to who truly "believe"!
...and is "believing" distinct from "submitting"? i "believe" in god...(atleast i try to)...but there are questions which i do not have answers to, and i try to not think too much about these questions, often leaving them at "subhanaka la AAilma lana illa ma AAallamtana innaka anta alAAaleemu alhakeemu" (2:32)
...however, there are things i do which i shouldnt be doing...and things which i should do but i dont...,and i really wonder: "can i call myself a muslim?!"
# another thing...the traditionalists exhort peepz to become "mumins" and not just "muslims"! they seem to suggest that mumin is a level higher than muslim....something which i dont buy...atleast not at the moment!
what do u and other peepz in here think about this? is mumin really "better" than muslims as traditionalists claim?
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Wed 21 Feb, 2007 5:50 am
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# this is an interesting topic bro....i think any true believer would do 2 things for sure:
1. keep away from the forbidden
2. indulge in the ordained
Salam bro
The above two sound like DEEDS and you are right, the belivers deeds should be according to the above to guidlines
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...it always intrigues me as to who truly "believe"!
I actually look at it concering myself alone, I hope I'm a true believer though
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...and is "believing" distinct from "submitting"?
of course, Submitting is the highest level of belief
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i "believe" in god...(atleast i try to)...but there are questions which i do not have answers to, and i try to not think too much about these questions, often leaving them at "subhanaka la AAilma lana illa ma AAallamtana innaka anta alAAaleemu alhakeemu" (2:32)
Spunds like you are already a submitter
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...however, there are things i do which i shouldnt be doing...and things which i should do but i dont...,and i really wonder: "can i call myself a muslim?!"
If you consider that anything happen to you (good or bad) is from God and you take it with a believer attitude then you must be a submitter
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# another thing...the traditionalists exhort peepz to become "mumins" and not just "muslims"! they seem to suggest that mumin is a level higher than muslim....something which i dont buy...atleast not at the moment!
It does not make sense, remeber that our religion name is Islam, that should indicate that this is the upmost objective that all believers should achieve
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what do u and other peepz in here think about this? is mumin really "better" than muslims as traditionalists claim?
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Can i have some discussion on Muslim is the highest level of believer, I have no authenticity regarding this fact adn my knowledge with Quran is not that great.
But always believed with the This concept, that Muslims is the one who accepts There is one God and Mohamed is the messenger of God.
But, a Mumin is the one who accepts the above and submits will to God and performs deeds according to the Quran and the Sunnah.
Well, it goes this way, accepting my tongue and accepting by heart are two totally different things and thats an analogy between Muslim and Momeen. I would be happy if brother AB, can throw some light on this.
Well, i repeat again, my lack of knowledge on this subject, is the reason for the query.
I think these words have little to do with reality and whos higher than the other is nothing but an argument and we humans are very good at aruging.
God is unseen, so its impossible to know anyones belief, be it muslim or anyother. What we see is deeds and we judge from it but not from belief because its unknown.
One of my friend is an ex-christian, reason? for all bad happenings in world, is in Gods name , so i dont believe in God. We talked about hours and he said 'I believe there is someone who runs the stars, earth, water, everything but I will not call him God.
So what is he atheist ?
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Fri 23 Feb, 2007 12:36 am
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Believer, nonbeliever, muslim, momin, etc etc etc....
I think these words have little to do with reality and whos higher than the other is nothing but an argument and we humans are very good at aruging.
# i think these words have much to do with reality, but v humans have very little to do with it!
...like u put it, very good at arguing, that's what most of us are!
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God is unseen, so its impossible to know anyones belief, be it muslim or anyother. What we see is deeds and we judge from it but not from belief because its unknown.
# ah! that's a fine observation, brother! yes, v may never know what somebody is holding in his/her heart....and v quite often judge by what v see!
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One of my friend is an ex-christian, reason? for all bad happenings in world, is in Gods name , so i dont believe in God.
# what does he mean by "is in god's name", bro?
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We talked about hours and he said 'I believe there is someone who runs the stars, earth, water, everything but I will not call him God.
So what is he atheist ?
# dunno...he probably finds it hard to refute a creator, but there are other questions which he finds unanswered! if he acknowledges a creator who runs the show, then the label "atheist" probably doesnt sit well on him!
....maybe a deist? though i ll admit i suggest this for want of a better "label"! :-S
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Sat 24 Feb, 2007 4:42 am
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ahmedbahgat wrote:
It does not make sense, remeber that our religion name is Islam, that should indicate that this is the upmost objective that all believers should achieve
NO WAY
A Muslim is the hghest level of a believer
# i agree, bro! going by the quran, the odds are increasingly stacked against any designation other than "muslim" which peepz must strive for! i wonder why the traditionalists are so hung up on "mumin"! why not mukhliseen or muttaqeen?
check out the wikipedia entry for "muslim"....it has the views of a non-muslim "scholar" of islam, who opines that according to quran, "muslim" and "mumin" are seperate terms, with "muslim" meeting the bare minimum requirement, while the "mumin" gives himself, heart and soul, to "faith"!
...ofcourse, the dud is a plain liar...but u have surely seen the munafiqs who adopt the views of non-muslims and propogate it as the correct understanding! : grin :
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